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--- berlin2017:education [2017/02/27 18:23] – admin
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   * Markus: Generally, education does not work along this path: People are interested in something, so they try to learn it; maybe with somebody, who has good knowledge about it. Instead it is often the other way around: Some people decide that they have something important to teach and "in the best case" look how to motivate the sutdents to learn that. This is pure narcissism. So try to go to a meeting never as a teacher but always as a student that might be able to contribute.
   * Florian: I think that this is a great utopia, but in my experience there were a lot of cases where a teacher tought me something that I was not interested in before and I was happy about it later. So I think also the "narcissistic" approach has its right to be. Although I never wanted to see the narcissism and I am glad for this new perspective!
-  * Claudio: I think the best education is the opposite of a classroom: people read alone and then come together to discuss/apply! (see [[wp>Antonio Negri]] //[Markus: I think he was mentioned somewhere else.]//)
+  * Claudio: I think the best education is the opposite of a classroom: people read alone and then come together to discuss/apply!
   * Ingmar: My experience at UCM was very different to a "normal" university: we had small classes, talked with the professors on the same level and actually followed the principle described by Claudio. But the drawback was a too intense amount of stress.
   * Florian: I think that what Ingmar described does not have to come together but today typically is a feature of elite universities: good teaching/education for the price of too many courses and exercises at the same time and high tuition fees. Besides that there is mass education on the normal universities.
+  * Markus: My experience in offering underground courses that try to employ different methods of education is that of //time//. Event if people are highly motivated they are not able to really participate because of too much workload in their regular work/studies. This any plan to educate but also be accompanied by a plan to //liberate//!
 Work and society:
-  * Claudio(?): Be aware that knowlegde alone already creates a class-structure (cf. [[wp>power-knowledge]] by Michel Foucault)
+  * Claudio: Be aware that knowledge alone already creates a class-structure (cf. [[wp>power-knowledge]] by Michel Foucault)
   * Markus: Hardt/Negri in [[wp>Commonwealth_(book)|Commonwealth]] focus on the changed state of our economy where the most valuable work is conducted as pure creative/knowledge work and thus requires the modern worker to act freely, self-organised, communicatively etc. and this cannot be locked into a factory any more. This opens up a huge potential of possible resistance and counter-movements. Note also (I think mentioned by Claudio) that in the IT industry the wealth is mostly produced by the consumers through their participation and input of information, so the consumer is suddenly on the productive and thus potentially controlling side.
-  * Claudio: Work is only non-alienating if you have the possibilty of projecting yourself into the work.
+  * Claudio: Work is only non-alienating if you have the possibility of projecting yourself into the work.